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Post by bima on Aug 28, 2008 9:38:22 GMT -5
Hey guys, since I new here I want to participate in this forum. I just want to ask you what do you think about the sophistication that Wall-E brings to the movie experience. Will it be too hard to the mainstream audience to understand? I mean, the movie has nuances at it beautifully executed scenes.
Still it doesn't make very big at box-office. I mean, if we compared with another Pixar's like Nemo, Incredibles, even Cars makes bigger money in north America.
Wall-E, in my opinion, is a pinnacle of movie making, especially in this 21st century (where a lot of awful movie get through the exec and still making money). But this gem seems like didn't break any box-office record. What do you guys think?
Is Wall-E too smart for mainstream audience?
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Post by hopper on Aug 28, 2008 9:53:42 GMT -5
hehe... i dunno, seems possible to me after all the mindless crap people tend to just eat up without question
while i dont mind the occasional fart joke, i agree that by and large they are an insult to our intelligence, and the fact that so many just eat them up, and people tend to like less what they dont fully understand.
personally i would say that pixar is almost the american equivelant of an anime studio, anime uses animation in more sophisticated ways them most western animation studios, siome peole here like it some dont because , 1 they dont understand it or 2, as mentioned before if its animated it must be for kids X.X
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Post by bima on Aug 28, 2008 10:00:38 GMT -5
Hey, Hopper! Nice to see my post getting replied.  Yes, I know what you mean. Here in my country, Indonesia, a lot of people appreciate Anime and see it as another philosophical medium. But of course, they were minority. I didn't see BNL insulting, it just a logic explanation about a clueless human race. Although they seems to make it too extreme. But the image of the fat and muscleless human is important for the movie as satire as Wall-E. If they pictured human like a normal human, it would be less shocking. And Wall-E is a shocking movie, isn't it? I bet there are a lot of people didn't get the first act of Wall-E when he and eve on earth. They find that scene was boring! Cannot complain, though... After all it's everybody opinion... |
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Post by vanessajoyce on Aug 28, 2008 10:29:21 GMT -5
Actually, this is exactly what I think whenever I read a review of WALL-E in which the author calls it "cute" or compares it unfavorably to something like "Kung Fu Panda." This film is one of the most sophisticated I've ever seen (animated or otherwise), and, really, North American audiences are not typically used to this kind of story-telling and character development (even in live-action). It's like serving fine French cuisine to someone who's only ever eaten fast food -- they'll like the food, but their taste buds have been trained wrong, so they won't appreciate it on the proper level. And may even say they think fast food is better. Great thread!  |
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Post by bima on Aug 28, 2008 10:37:52 GMT -5
Yes, Vanessa. Great point! You have to see Indonesian movie. There were a good movie, and also masterpiece too. But the rest is horrible! Maybe - like people at north America - my people had seen too much garbage it was so difficult to them to think when they sat through the movie. I cannot envy you enough to have Pixar as your American studio. They're gifted! I also ask my cousin when he saw Wall-E with me. He said; "it was funny." Whatta....  |
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Post by vanessajoyce on Aug 28, 2008 10:40:45 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I've gotten from most of my family too. One of my family members told me she wished her son was old enough to see it so she could. I have to quote you again: Whatta.... |
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Post by bkim on Aug 28, 2008 10:49:08 GMT -5
As with any film which incorporates complex subject matter, many of the themes will inevitably elude most audience members. It seems that most people in North America are simply stuck on one of the themes in the film, environmentalism, while the themes about governmental corruption, corporate manipulation, overdependency, individualism, and humanity have gone completely unnoticed by the general public. This is really nothing new though; in the words of someone I know, most people generally think of films as "entertainment" rather than stimulation. It's their loss.
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Post by bima on Aug 28, 2008 10:50:14 GMT -5
I've seen it in my local magazine, they rate Wall-e 3 out of 5 stars. And the movie isn't premiered yet! They rate it on May. It was obvious they rate it base on the movie poster. The movie played in Indonesia at August, for GOD sake.
Just because it was animated doesn't mean it would be a kid movie, with a low rating...
*sigh*
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Post by MidgardDragon on Aug 28, 2008 12:06:32 GMT -5
I think that WALL-E definitely flew above the heads of some more mainstream audiences. I'm just glad so many people really *did* get it and love it, though.
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Post by vanessajoyce on Aug 28, 2008 12:22:40 GMT -5
Wow, yes . . . this is a point I hadn't thought of. Most people go to films expecting to be entertained. And although I do think WALL-E is entertaining, it really does ask you to bring more of your own soul to the experience.
I think that might be one of the factors that contributes to whether a person loves the film or not -- if you come to any kind of entertainment with the desire to be enlightened as well as to laugh, then this is your kind of film. If you don't think that way, this film will probably just seem "cute."
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Post by Bubblegum on Aug 28, 2008 12:27:17 GMT -5
Actually, this is exactly what I think whenever I read a review of WALL-E in which the author calls it "cute" or compares it unfavorably to something like "Kung Fu Panda." I know what you mean. It annoys me when the most someone can say about WALL-E is that it was "cute." I've tried to start coversations about it with people, but it quickly turns into a conversation about Kung-Fu Panda.  |
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Post by Khodhum on Aug 28, 2008 15:31:33 GMT -5
I agree, not everyone will understand everything this movie has to offer. However, I think the brilliant thing about WALL-E is that it can be enjoyed on different levels. Even if you're a kid and the anti-consumerist, pro-environmental themes go completely over your head, you can still have fun watching a cute robot go on an adventure across space.
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Post by fastdash9 on Aug 28, 2008 17:53:27 GMT -5
I actually recommended this film to a friend of mine explaining almost eaxactly what's stated above in the quote. He absolutely loved it because of those themes, and more. I'm glad to know a friend who understands the topics.
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Post by bima on Aug 28, 2008 19:45:40 GMT -5
I guess Stanton and friends was trying hard to make a genius movie without beating you over the head with it. And they were succeed. I mean, a lot of people could enjoy Wall-E without reading the theme and the genius movie making behind it. But.... If they didn't get the message, I think the won't enjoy it as much as they enjoyed another Pixar movie.
Or maybe they find it too hard...
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Post by vanessajoyce on Aug 28, 2008 19:48:42 GMT -5
Yes, you're so right! I think that's what I love about this film -- it's so profound without being obnoxious or self-absorbed.
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