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Post by bima on Sept 6, 2008 14:24:12 GMT -5
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Post by MidgardDragon on Sept 6, 2008 14:27:59 GMT -5
It makes me sad that one of the first to call for a Best Picture nom seems to be somewhat giving up hope.  I think the only reason WALL-E isn't the year's biggest is TDK, honestly. It's the only movie with equal or greater hype that succeeded with both critics and audiences on a massive scale. To me, though, I can't imagine TDK being nominated for Best Picture, but I definitely can't imagine it winning. I'm guessing that Burn After Reading will probably be the front runner for the Best Picture award simply because The Cohen Brothers. But I'm not giving up hope that Pixar, Stanton, and WALL-E can pull off a miracle. |
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Post by bima on Sept 6, 2008 14:31:34 GMT -5
So you already read that post? Yes, its saddened me too to realize that TDK may got nominated while Wall-E won't. It will break my heart if it happened. Just the fact that TDK is a "live-action' movie didn't make it worth more than Wall-E to get nominated. Stupid ultra-hyper-fanatical fanboys! |
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Post by vanessajoyce on Sept 6, 2008 14:46:24 GMT -5
I'm not giving up hope either -- at least not until Stanton does -- and in the latest interviews I've read, he's being very clear that "it's too early to know anything."
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Post by bkim on Sept 6, 2008 16:02:28 GMT -5
I think WALL-E has a much better chance to be nominated for Best Picture than Dark Knight does. I think if The Dark Knight achieves any kind of nomination it would be for Ledger's performance.
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Post by MidgardDragon on Sept 6, 2008 16:06:45 GMT -5
I think WALL-E has a much better chance to be nominated for Best Picture than Dark Knight does. I think if The Dark Knight achieves any kind of nomination it would be for Ledger's performance. Yeah, this has been what I've been saying all along. I think TDK will get nominations for Best Supporting Actor (Heath Ledger) and Best Screenplay. I don't see it making it to the Best Picture or Best Actor categories, but everyone's so caught up in the hype everyone thinks I'm crazy. :/ |
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Post by Norwesterner on Sept 6, 2008 22:33:00 GMT -5
I think Brad Brevet is being a little too prematurely pessimistic in this opinion piece.
WALL•E is still the top-rated wide release film on Rotten Tomatoes' Tomatometer — which is a tallying of critics' opinions; and as a fairly decent barometric index of critical acclaim, is something the Academy should be paying attention to. DARK KNIGHT is still 3 points behind with a 94 rating. And the aforementioned BURN AFTER READING has only garnered a 71 on the Tomatometer — but it's admittedly early days on that yet.
For now, keep the faith that WALL•E can actually be recognized for the landmark film it is, and be on watch for ways we appreciators of this film might be able to help get it recognized (signing the WALL•E for Best Picture petition, mentioned over in the News section of this forum, is one way.)
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Post by smkndofpnutdssrt on Sept 6, 2008 22:48:46 GMT -5
Wow, Norwesterner. I never thought of the Tomatometer thing like that. Wall-E is the #1 wide release film on Rottentomatoes. That's a pretty big statement. I don't know if the Academy pays attention to RT, but they should start. Those are the ratings that count, rather than IMDB, where anyone can rate a movie.
I don't think the Academy is smart enough to give Wall-E the credit it deserves. But I do think Wall-E will get nominated for BP, because the Academy is probably guided by what actions will make people watch the awards. Nominating Wall-E for BP would be like a cliff hanger on a soap opera. Everyone will want to see for themselves what happens next. But I doubt Wall-E will win. I don't think the Academy is ready to take that leap. It would take a miracle. But boy, wouldn't it be wonderful if they did make that leap. Because if any animated film is to be the first animated film to win BP, it's Wall-E. It's that good of a movie.
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Post by vanessajoyce on Sept 6, 2008 22:58:59 GMT -5
It's weird because I hear so much vibe on both sides of the issue. Negatives are "Pixar is anti-Hollywood so the Academy will shun them" and "the Academy is full of actors who only honor other actors". Positives are "It got rave reviews in Variety which is the gospel in Hollywood" and "Iger has a lot of influence in the industry."
The problem is that the Academy Awards is a very "political" thing. It's all about schmoozing and who knows who and all that. Not that it's all about that -- but it's a game, nonetheless. Look at all the great films in history that never were recognized.
It's not that I'm losing faith in WALL-E's ability to win -- and it will win in multiple categories, I'm sure of that -- it's just that I don't want to get my heart set on something that is very iffy. Best Picture is a huge, huge honor and it's not something given away easily. The reality is that if it gets nominated/doesn't get nominated/wins/loses -- it's still the same film to me and I will love it no matter who acknowledges its genius.
Just trying to save myself huge disappointment . . . but, I have to confess just its getting nominated for Best Pic would really make me crazy happy.
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Post by Khodhum on Sept 7, 2008 0:03:34 GMT -5
Yeah, the nomination alone would be such an earth-shattering event to me...the second animated movie to get nominated for BP, ever.
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Post by Viva la Vida on Sept 7, 2008 5:42:15 GMT -5
I have to confess just its getting nominated for Best Pic would really make me crazy happy. Same here. I would personally go crazier than Roberto Benigni at the 1999 Oscars ceremony ;D |
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Post by bima on Sept 12, 2008 12:01:10 GMT -5
It's weird because I hear so much vibe on both sides of the issue. Negatives are "Pixar is anti-Hollywood so the Academy will shun them" I read about that too, Vanessa. See, this is what I don't understand. 'Pixar is anti-Hollywood?' I used to read an article about this somewhere, too. What their problem against Pixar? It's not Pixar's fault if they're smarter and braver than any Hollywood exec out there. It's not Pixar's fault too if Hollywood seems stupid and shallow compares to them. I mean, 'anti Hollywood'? Anybody could explain to me what that actually means? |
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Post by vanessajoyce on Sept 12, 2008 15:15:33 GMT -5
Pixar doesn't use the same business, creative and managing models for creating films that most studios do. It's not that they are anti-Hollywood -- it's just that they have a different culture and philosophy -- so their ways of doing things sometimes clashes with how other studios do it. Not that Pixar's culture is "superior", just that it is different.
It's actually a pretty generalized statement though -- obviously there are individual actors, executives, writers, etc. who respect Pixar greatly and are thrilled to work with them.
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Post by Calamity EVE on Sept 12, 2008 16:14:59 GMT -5
Honestly, I've been a bit of a pessimist as of late, so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt...
But I have heard that the tallying of votes is done mostly by people within the Hollywood system; in other words, the Academy is comprised mainly of A-to-C-list actors. "Wall•E" is by far the best choice for Best Animated Feature -- and I have faith that "Bolt" or "Igor" or "Madagascar 2" isn't going to put a dent in its prospects. BUT... There is also "Kung-Fu Panda". It was a fun, entertaining, family-friendly movie with a BUNCH of big-name actors. And if the Academy tends to shy away from Pixar because of some vague "anti-Hollywood" bias, where does that put our favorite rusty little robot when he's up against a big, lovable panda with something like eight HUGE movie stars providing voices for his movie? I know for a fact that Jack Black and Angelina Jolie and Dustin Hoffman have friends in high places, if you catch my drift.
I'm kind of nervous about the Best Animation category in some ways, at this point, nevermind the Best Picture category. Dreamworks really pulled out all the stops this year. They knew that "Wall•E" was going to be amazing, and they wanted to give it a real run for its money. Which is enthralling in a lot of ways, but it also makes me doubt if it can really take home that golden statuette (even if it obviously deserves to).
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Post by AtomicGreymon on Sept 12, 2008 18:06:41 GMT -5
I certainly hope it wins Best Animated, but if it doesn't due to politics, then the Oscars have simply offered more proof that they're essentially useless, and in no way indicative of anything other than idiocy.
In reality, and a truly unbiased (by stupidity) industry competition, WALL•E easily deserves not only best animated, but at least a nomination for Best Picture. The fact it almost certainly won't get the latter means little to me other than mild annoyance at the foolishness of politics, and preconceptions against entire genres.
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I think the only reason WALL-E isn't the year's biggest is TDK, honestly. It's the only movie with equal or greater hype that succeeded with both critics and audiences on a massive scale. To me, though, I can't imagine TDK being nominated for Best Picture, but I definitely can't imagine it winning. I'm guessing that Burn After Reading will probably be the front runner for the Best Picture award simply because The Cohen Brothers. But I'm not giving up hope that Pixar, Stanton, and WALL-E can pull off a miracle.
